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by **croftspardon** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:48 pm

Hi,

Looks potentially great scenery, but I have the autogen problem.

Have carried out seemingly normal installation. Checked the various files mentioned are present. Renamed the xml and ran the configurator. Changed the autogen settings in fsx config file. Have tried re-installing. Scenery settings as specified in the manual.

I have little autogen, after 5 minutes running the previously great framerate crashes slowly to zero and I seem to get a slideshow of various scenes. Happens regardless of which Island I start or which aircraft used.

By the way I had to lie to successfully register for the forum. I live in Scotland- the sky has not been blue for many many weeks!

Regards Keith

by **martin[flytampa]** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:55 pm

Keith

Try get the Autogen-Editor again, I just uploaded a new version 2 mins ago:

www.flytampa.org/dwl/Fly-Grenadines_FSX ... Editor.exe

About the framerate. Normally it wouldn't go down with time, perhaps this is related to the autogen, once you have the autogen let me know if the fps problem persists.

by **JayKae** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:06 pm

Martin, you are a legend mate, that fixed it

by **croftspardon** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:40 pm

Autogen is fixed for me too. Scenery looks great. Thanks.

Framerate decay still occurred. Have turned airliner traffic off, so far hasn't failed again. I'll need more time to evaluate it, but the probability is it is an issue with my traffic and not your scenery.

Keith

by **IngoKe** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:15 pm

My problem has also been fixed. Haven´t had the time to answer earlier. Great support. Thank you very much, Martin.

Grueße aus Langen

Ingo

by **PippinL** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:29 pm

Hi all,

I had the same problem with no autogen after installation. I also have installed the FTX region packages on my FSX installation and that seems to be the problem. First I switched FTX Mode to OFF and installed the Grenadines (as recommended by Orbx). After that I switched FTX mode to ON and started FSX. No autogen after that, but with FTX switched OFF again everything was fine.
So I tried to run the Autogen Tool over the files with FTX Mode On and that fixed the problem. You can nicely see what's happening on the file sizes of default.xml and AutogenDescriptions.spb when switching FTX ON and OFF...

Regards, Kai

by **paavo** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:11 pm

PippinL wrote:Hi all,

I had the same problem with no autogen after installation. I also have installed the FTX region packages on my FSX installation and that seems to be the problem. First I switched FTX Mode to OFF and installed the Grenadines (as recommended by Orbx). After that I switched FTX mode to ON and started FSX. No autogen after that, but with FTX switched OFF again everything was fine.
So I tried to run the Autogen Tool over the files with FTX Mode On and that fixed the problem. You can nicely see what's happening on the file sizes of default.xml and AutogenDescriptions.spb when switching FTX ON and OFF...

Regards, Kai

Good find, and this is why I don't like FTX.

by **PippinL** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 4:51 am

It's not that I don't like FTX - it's a great scenery enhancement. The problem is, that products like FTX, GEX, UTX etc. and now the Grenadines all manipulate default FSX files and as a customer you never really now what is happening behind the scenes.

BTW: The problem is still there everytime I switch FTX Mode OFF and ON again. And I recognized that my default.xml file is only half the size after running the FT Autogen Editor over it. Is this normal?

Greets, Kai

by **martin[flytampa]** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:09 am

Most Addons I think simply add content to the default.xml. Add content meaning new custom Autogen entries so we don't have to pick from the default trees etc but can insert out own models.

Normally the process is not to delete or modify default.xml's content, but to add to it (growing filesize overtime). In the case of FTX I assume they need 2 versions of the default.xml and the user skips between the 2 when switching FTX mode.

In this case (with FTX's 2 default.xmls), Addons like ours will add to the currently active default.xml, but not the other copy that FTX has. It maybe possible to run our Autogen Editor on both xmls, by switching FTX mode and running the Autogen Editor once in each mode. Not sure if this works tho.

About the file-size. By default FSX has this file encoded UFT16, some addons however leave it in UFT8 mode after adding their content. Initially I didn't know this and assumed everyone has it in UFT16, which caused the problems leading to this updated Autogen Editor. The new version now does convert it to UFT8 like many others.

UFT8 results in a smaller file size, so its not content that got lost, rather just a change in "encoding". You can check this by loading the default.xml in Notepad, then click Save As... and within the File Dialog look at the bottom Encoding Pulldown. For some people it will be ANSI, for others UFT8.

Next post I will paste the content which is added to default.xml by the Grenadines Installer. It should start right below the <Code>R</Code> line...

by **martin[flytampa]** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:09 am

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by **PippinL** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:50 pm

Hi Martin,

I checked the FT lines in default.xml. I found that it's always completly safe for me to run FT Grenadines with FTX Mode switched OFF. But there is no way to run it fully functional in FTX Mode ON without using the Autogen Editor every time switching FTX from OFF to On again. FTX always recovers a version without the FT content. Maybe someone else can acknowledge that.

Many thanks for the prompt support and thanks for the great scenery!

Cheers, Kai

by **martin[flytampa]** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:19 am

PippinL wrote:Hi Martin,

I checked the FT lines in default.xml. I found that it's always completly safe for me to run FT Grenadines with FTX Mode switched OFF. But there is no way to run it fully functional in FTX Mode ON without using the Autogen Editor every time switching FTX from OFF to On again. FTX always recovers a version without the FT content. Maybe someone else can acknowledge that.

Many thanks for the prompt support and thanks for the great scenery!

Cheers, Kai

Isn't that the idea behind the FTX switching in the first place? That you turn it On when flying in the FTX area, and Off when flying elsewhere. Don't ask me why it got implemented this way, but I'm sure there is a reasonable explanation.

by **PippinL** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:48 am

Yes, it is recommended by Orbx. But I was not aware of the fact, that other addons may not work correctly when switched On.

Kai

by **martin[flytampa]** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:20 pm

If the Grenadines editing works with both, the matter just being that you have run it every time after switching, the problem may just be finding out what file FTX is recovering when doing the switches.

If you can, load all files that look like backups of default.xml within the Autogen folder into Notepad. Then search each for "<code>R". Right after that you might see entries labeled "ft_agn_tropic_2x2_mix" etc. If you do, close those files, they have our content already.

If you don't see that after <code>R, and instead the default "Rural Farm Pens", that would be a copy of default.xml without the FlyTampa entries. If you find such a file, carefully make another backup of it elsewhere, copy the flytampa data into it (under <code>R...) and see if that solves the FTX switching problem

by **PippinL** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:32 pm

That's what I did and it worked fine for me. But to come back to my initial statement: messing with essential files can not be the way for a "casual" user. Maybe its better to fly to Australia having a little break to switch ;-)

))

Kai

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